dkehler wrote: BlueBallz wrote: dkehler wrote:
BVD wrote:Even "if" the tickets were 160 dollars... I doubt many peggers would still go. Heck we have troubles selling 20-40 dollar tickets for Bomber games when the team isnt' winning. I can't imagine to many people spending 5 times as much with a team that wont ever contend.
Who says we wouldn't ever contend? There is more that can't do attitude I'm talking about.
Anyway, I don't think you can compare the CFL to the NHL directly. Sure, there may be fans of both, but a fan of one doesn't necessarily mean that person is a fan of the other and vice versa. And luckily, we only need around 13,000 people that are willing to pay NHL prices every game
(plus corporate box sales). I think it's well within the realm of possibility.
And where do you intend on finding these people???????
Or do they only come out to Portage and Main once the team is threatened with it's departure??? lol Where were these people when they were needed the last time?? Are they going to now magically appear after a long absence since the NHL was last here??
New MTS Centre is your argument?? That's fine and dandy and will bring out the odd casual fan, but it's the product on the ice that will sustain them for the long run (which is needed to survive) and keep them coming back for more.
Are we really going to attract these 'casual' fans out 3-4 times a week at NHL prices when they won't pay cheaper rates right now?? The argument that it's the "NHL" is a weak one.......
Not saying it's impossible, but sometimes you gotta take off the rose colored glasses to see the grim reality too.
Keeping in mind those 13,000 people need not be the same 13,000 people every game
. I think its quite attainable. Remember, teams like Edmonton and Vancouver were not selling out their buildings in the early 90s either.
I don't know what you're talking about when you say the "it's not the NHL" argument is weak. Seems to me we support the AHL better than most if not all of the other teams, so that certainly bodes well for even better support for the NHL. Remember the Minnesota Moose? Winnipeg supports them a heck of a lot better than Minnesota ever did and guess what? Now the NHL team in Minnesota sells out every night.
I'm not seeing anything through rose coloured glasses, but I'm also not dismissing possibilities out of hand like Winnipeggers tend to do.
So what your saying is that they'll need to draw out a new 13,000 every game then??
Like I said, WHERE do you intend to find these phantom casual fans?? If they can't be drawn out to events (like the Moose and Goldeyes) that are cheaper than NHL games, how do you expect them to fork out even more money for NHL games a few times a week?
It may work for a while, but if you do the math....number of games in a season, population of Winnipeg, percentage of population that could actually be potential casual fans.....it's quite a lofty order to expect a new 13,000 fans per game, even per week for that matter.
I honestly don't see people forking over big bucks a few nights a week just to say "Hey, atleast I got to sit in the new MTS centre!!" when they can hardly be drawn out to games that are far cheaper.
They're casual fans, so to them it's the cost that appeals to them, and I'm sure they could care less if it's the NHL, AHL, or Stars on Ice, lol.
A good portion of the fans that attend Moose games now are hockey fans and a few die hards, but you're bound to lose a few when you tell them that ticket prices are going to almost double, that's a fact.
Sure you're going to make up for some of the losses with the re-emergence of these other so called 'die hard' NHL fans that say they will come out only then, but in order to sustain the team for the long term...you're going to need to draw out these 'casual' fans to the games, and that's another harsh fact.
People wanna use the examples of the junior championships attendance, but that's a poor example, simply because the majority of those fans were there because of the relatively low cost, but I would bet that if you asked them to pay NHL prices and come out for more than JUST a couple weeks once every few years, you wouldn't get the same attendance or support.
OK, well I don't want to dismiss the idea either, and will welcome the NHL back with open arms should it ever happen, but I also like to look at it objectively before getting my hopes too high either.